Debate on the Resurrection

Below is another debate where an xian get the floor wiped with them. It is between an idiot called gary habermas and an intelligent atheist called Kenneth Humphreys. Some highlights from the debate:

You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical

There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament

These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price


Debate 2 from atheist debate on Vimeo.

JB gets beated yet again

JB has now realised that ive smashed his argument and is acusing me of only focusing on trivial points. No JB, it that your points were all trivial.

Second, I'd like Mike to articulate what "special conditions" applied to the preservation of Yohanan's bones that would not have, within a non-resurrection framework, also have applied to Jesus' bones.
Maybe jebus' body was exposed to the air more, or there was a worm infestation in the tomb of jebus. i dunno, all i need to show is that it is possible that jebus body rotted away. Maybe we dont have jebus body because he didnt exist. Scholars like G A Wells thinks so. just use your imagination. Domonic crossan thinks dogs ate jebus body. there all kinds of options which dont resort to sky daddies

Third, Mike is obviously playing the 'idiot atheist' role at this point, because his assertion of no skeletons being found at Pompeii is patently false.
I meant the disciples found no skeletons there and your articles you linked to dont show that. And anyway, these are a rareity which is why it was mentioned in the magazines you linked to

Aside from the blatant falsity of Mike's claim that "only Christians take the Bible slightly seriously
emm no. no non-christian scholar doesnt recognise that the bible is full of errors, biased and was not written as history.

why the authorities never disconfirmed the Christian account
they did. Have the authoroties disconfirmed mormonism? Yes. Does that stop mormons? No. Obviously if the authorities had proven xianity to be false wouldnt the disciples have the same atitude mormons do. They would claim that the devil had put it there to test them or something.

on a much grander scale, and without recourse to a founding figure
consintine founded xianity. or maybe paul did

third, that the issues surrounding, e.g., the Book of Abraham are such that the rank-and-file Mormon is unaware of them
would your rank and file xian living in rome be aware of jebus body?

fourth, that Latter-day Saint apologists can offer some arguments on their behalf, no matter how ultimately devoid of significance
Maybe the diciples came up with arguments for the fact jebus was still in his tomb. Maybe the cremeated him.

and if you care to invoke his opinion, you'll have to provide the supporting argumentation as well.
ummmm - i did. I pointed out that there is no evidence that the first xians were persecuted.

also gained greatly from the power of their positions, and the founder went out fighting during his lynching.
my point, the founder of mormonism dided for their beliefs.

given that Mormonism is by its very nature an offshoot of Christianity
And xianity is an offshot from paganism

No, Mike. Substantiation for the alleged implication ("so people got bored and made up stories of [resurrected] friends for fun"). Hop to it.
Well when people are bored they do things to entertain themselves. So they decided to make a new religion.

That's not an ad hominem attack, Mike. You don't appear to know what that term means. And no, you don't get to use it unless you invoke it properly: introduce it, expound it, argue for it, and defend it from criticism.
You really should take a course in logic. Why dont you start here.

If you want to defend the usefulness of memetics, by all means do so. However, memetics does not "explain why people believed in the resurrection". You postulate no sufficient cause for the "Jesus-rose-from-the-dead meme", nor do you explain its spread.
Basically memes work like evolution. So each generation of xians comes up with variations of the reserection meme and the most successfuly version of the myth survives. I realise that it is a bit complicated and you preoberly dont understand meme theory byut many inteligent people think it is the best advancement in biology of the twentth century.

A picture of a relief, without any data as to its provenance, its date, etc., cannot be acceptable evidence.
In which case you cant use the bible asthat doesnt have a date written on it or a sign saying its provenance

Mike, if you really want to make solid arguments on this point, you'll need to back up your stance with literary evidence, not just artistic,
Unfortuantly the vatican have destroyed that kind of evidence. infact ive written a whole blog entry on this

How peculiar, then, that you haven't overturned a single one of my arguments
In your dreams. ive been running rings around you and shredding your arguments to bit. on the contrary, you havent overturned any of my arguments.

How Xians dismiss Sourcses that disprove the bible

Several years ago i was explaining to an xian how their illogical belief in the trinity was stolen from plato. They asked me for evidence for this and so after some quick googling I found a reputable historian called Kersey Graves. Did they accept it? No. They ridiculed me and called my source stupid (as you do when you know you've lost a debate) Then more recently I get the xians who tell me hat zeitgeist the movie or wikipedias aren't reliable sources. There really is a worring trend amongst xians to just dismiss my sources as invalid.

So what do xians use as their source? The bible. You know, that book full of talking donkeys, errors and contradictions. Nuff said. Give me kersey graves and wikipedia any day.