Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Debate on the Resurrection

Below is another debate where an xian get the floor wiped with them. It is between an idiot called gary habermas and an intelligent atheist called Kenneth Humphreys. Some highlights from the debate:

  • You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical
  • There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament
  • These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price


    Debate 2 from atheist debate on Vimeo.
  • 4 comments:

    Anonymous said...

    I do not have time to deal with this properly, but I will make some precursory statements and return to refute your statements and the video later.

    "You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical"

    This is a tired old argument which can easily be refuted. I will deal with this statement later when I have more time. Sadly I do not think you will pay attention to anything I post.

    "There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament"

    What leaflet are you discussing? How many words appear on the leaflet. Why don't you come up with a number and we will see if your number is accurate?

    "These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price"

    How are they dishonest? They claim most scholars agree with them. You present the name of one "scholar" who disagrees with them and then say they are dishonest. To prove they are dishonest you would have to poll everyone that fits the criteria of a "scholar" to see if they agree or disagree with them. Then you would have to total the numbers and see which side most "scholars" fell on. Then you could see whether their statement was correct or not.

    Let me give you a hypothetical situation.

    You state that most people on the internet agree with you regarding a specific issue.

    I respond that I do not agree with you regarding the issue.

    I go further to say that your statement was dishonest.

    The mere fact that I disagree with you does not prove that most people disagree with you.

    I will view the debate later and comment on it.

    Good Day,

    Fundie Atheist/Parody

    Jake said...

    I saw this debate before on Robert M. Price's website, and I didn't enjoy it in particular. Humphreys is simply a moron, and Habermas could have been much more aggressive and could have presented a lot more information and facts for his position. if you really want a good debate on the historicity of the resurrection wherein you will actually learn something I would strongly suggest that you find the debate which took place between Bart Ehrman and William Lane Craig. I like Gary Habermas, but he like N.T. Wright seems to have fallen for the idea that the tools of history alone can prove the resurrection, but the problem is that the philosophical issues surrounding the problem of miracles or historical knowledge. I have never seen a detailed discussion by Habermas on the issue of miracles but Craig has a great discussion on miracles, but I think Paul Eddy and Gregory Boyd have an even better discussion on miracles.

    -Jake

    Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

    Wow humphreys is a moron.

    As for the 'highlights' of the debate"

    "You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical"

    This arguemnt is pretty weak in itseself. But the way Humpheries presented it is truely pathetic.

    We do NOT have testimonies from all the Snow White characters. Unless he wants to show documents taht they'd all written, or why we should think it possible the Grim brothers could have met them to get their testimonies.

    "There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament "

    Unfortunitly, length has nothing whatsoever to do with accuracy.

    I'm skeptical of the healthiness of McDonalds food not because their leaflets are short, but because the unhealthyness of their food is well documented elsewhere(and besides, somthing as gross as McDonalds food cant POSSIBLY be good for you)

    "These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price"

    ummmmmmm...last time I checked Roberp Price was one person, and not 'most scholars'

    mindflame said...

    What a great debate, I loved it! The Christian did very well and I felt like other than appeal to reticule the atheist offered very little.