Debate on the Resurrection

Below is another debate where an xian get the floor wiped with them. It is between an idiot called gary habermas and an intelligent atheist called Kenneth Humphreys. Some highlights from the debate:

You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical

There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament

These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price


Debate 2 from atheist debate on Vimeo.

another article refuting the resurection

I came across this great article here

I knew most of the stuff in it however i had never realised that when paul wrote about the resurection he/she never mentioned jebus and so how do we know it was jebus resurection paul was refering to?

What if xians had evidence? A purely theoretical question.

I came across a brilliant argument whilst surfing the Richard Dawkins forums. You sky daddy is complex and therefore anything is more probable than them raising Jebus from the dead. Thus if we can use our imaginations to think of an alternative way of explaing this we are o.k. Now obviously xians havent given us any evidenc whatsoever yet but if they did all the would show is that aliens came down to earth, used superior technology to bring jebus back to life and then disapper again or another explanation. Take you pick as anything i slogically a better xplanation than goddidit

reserection evidence blown out of the water (again)

xians often harp on about the evidence for the resurrection however not only have I blown it out of the water someone else has as well. Click here Oh, and thanks to john loftus as well for recommending it on his blog as thats how i found out about it.

Rather than leaving comments on my blog why not leave it on the blog i link to and we can have a massive debate.

Next round

Firstly i would like to thank JB for giving me such an easy response to demolish and steven carr and fifi for their intelligent comments on the previous post. Johnny anomonus also aknowledged there was a lot of meat in my post and he is an xian. So here we go, i feel like a big ball on the end of a chain ready to smah into the argument and knock it to bits.

We still have bone remnants of ancient Jews, even Jewish crucifixion victims (e.g., the famed Yohanan), preserved to this day;
But these are rare preserved under special conditions. Pompeii is meant to be the best conditions for perserving archaeology in the world and yet they found not skeletons there. So if the people of pompeii had their body eaten why didnt jebus?

why, precisely, would worms have consumed the body of Jesus, bones and all, within the lifetimes of the disciples?
Who says it happened in the life time of the disciples? Oh sorry the bible does. you realise that only xians take the bible slightly seriously. there is no evidence that jebus body was in the tomb. Now wouldnt the disciples notice and loose their beliefs? No. Mormons believe their book is authentic despite it being proved false. Imagine in 2000 years time someone said "well nobody would have remained a mormon if the book of arbraham had been shown conclusively to be a fake..."what would you say? What about creationism? wouldn't people not believe it if evolution had been shown to be true. Religios people believe whatever they want to believe. If the body of jebus was still in the tomb they would claim it was a fake or only a theory etc etc.
Which of the claimed "eyewitnesses", either among the Three or the Eight, were martyred?
Earl dorothy thinks that there is no evidence that the first xians were martyred
hat is, of course, pure speculation on my part, but given the fairly clear evidence that the story narrated by Smith's purported translation of the plates is utterly ahistorical
youve missed the point. We know mormonism is ahistorical and yet many people believe it. Why do we know it is ahistorical? Because it happened a lot more recently. How do you know that xianity didnt start in the same way mormonism did? maybe if mormonism happened 2000 years ago and xianity a hundred years ago it would be the other way around

And your substantiation for this would be...?
Are you seriously asking for evidence that they didnt have wiis, tvs and the internet in jebus day? your even more ignorant than i thought

First of all, Russell's Teapot was one of the most pitiful epistemological blunders that Russell ever made.
ad homin attack. It is valid, i can sit here and wait for you to give me evidence to my satisfaction

Your arguments also commit the anthropic principle. To ask why people came to belive jebus rose from the dead is a non quetion as we wouldnt be asing it if such a belief hadnt been belived
I question the value of memetics as a contribution to scientific study
your ignorance astounds me. indeed memes explain why people believde in the reserection. Someone caught the jebus rose from the dead meme and it spread like the plague.
Come now, Mike, unlike yourself, I've researched the ancient myths.
Ah - so you admit that the bible is an ancient myth. I win the debate
If you want to set forth any of Price's arguments on behalf of the pagan copycatting thesis, by all means do so, but I warn you that playing that card in a debate with me is rather
Here is a photo of dionysus crucified:

and here he is risen from the dead:


There we go.

you really are going to have tyo try harder JB

Resserection debate opening post

Over at theologyweb JB gave me the following challenge: " Tell you what, though. I challenge you to a formal debate, either in the Wrestling Ring at TheologyWeb or via blog" As they delete my posts etc I will debate him on the resurrection here. Here is my opening post:

Science has shown for a long time that dead people stay dead - the message obviously fails to get through to xians. Science shows that bodies rot away and are eaten by worms and once something has been eaten by worms how can it go to heaven?

Richard Dawkins has looked into the historical evidence for this and colcuded "Accounts of Jesus's resurrection and ascension are about as well documented as Jack and the Beanstalk." So no good trying this line of enquiry.

Also most pagan gods rose from the dead and so why don't you believe mithras, dionysus etc etc resserected?

If I were JB I would give up and admit defeat. Infact I've pretty much won this debate in mky opening post.