Friday, 26 December 2008

Merry Mithras

If you worship mithras then merry mithras. If you worship a mithras rip of sky daddy then merry christmas to you.

Saturday, 20 December 2008

A Contradiciton

The bible says that astrology is wrong? Yeah?

The Bible says that the wise men used astrology to find baby jebus? Yeah

The Bible contradicts itself? Yeah

Thursday, 18 December 2008

A quick argument against your sky daddy

1. If your sky daddy loved me then they would give me everything I want
2. I want a million pounds, a holiday to las vagas and a hooker. They havent given it to me
3. Therefore your sky daddy doesnt exist

Or alternatively,

Either your sky daddy is all loving but cant give me what I want. If they cant give me what I want they are not all powerful
Or they are all powerful but dont love me, in which case why worship them?
Or they are not all powerful and cant do everything, and if so then why call then a sky daddy?

Monday, 15 December 2008

Ive cracked it

I was thinking about how jebus walked on water and it occured to me thus:

1. Jebus walked on water acording to the bible
2. Ice skaters walk on water all the time
3. Therefore jebus was an iceskater and nothing special.

Monday, 8 December 2008

Watch your language...but im quoting the bible....

A swear word can be found in the bible:

While Israel was staying in Shit (Numbers 25:1) :P

Friday, 5 December 2008

Good news everyone

Media unbiased for once....

Normally the media are very biased against atheists and so it is nice to see this short radio program be less biased. They interview Sam Harris and mix in clips of how unfair the media is towards atheists. For example why is it that comedians only ever joke about atheists however never crack jokes about religion? Or why do the media think that everyone converts to theism when they are about to die? Or why do the media always make out that atheists are imoral when people like sam harris have written books pointing out that theists are less moral and intelligent than athests?

If you havent got time to listen, then you can read a transcript here

Thursday, 4 December 2008

Atheist how to guide

If youve not seen this then it is a quite helpful resource. Its basically a how to guide on debunking christianity. If youre new to debating xians then simply follow the guide and youll be winning debates straigt away.

Wednesday, 3 December 2008

Pray to Jake

Prove to me that praying to your skydaddy is more effective than praying to Jake...

Monday, 1 December 2008

Why I blog

People seem to be asking why I bother blogging. Well I want people to see the light and truth of science and reason and logic. I hope that by presenting logically watertight arguments people will abandon their bronze age superstition and misinformation. I also get satisfaction out of using my brain to the full. You know how when you play chess (well I dont really play but ive been told this is what it is like) and youve play a really cunning move and you sit there waiting for your oponent to realise your brilliance. Well thats how I feel when I blog.

I use words like skydaddy to make you think how stupid theism is. My aim is for any intelligent person who visits my blog to go away an atheist.

Friday, 28 November 2008

Was Jebus a Paedophile?

Premise 1: The bible says "People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them" Mark10:13

Premise 2: A paedophile is someone who touches little children

ConclusionL Jebus was a paedophile

Wednesday, 26 November 2008

JP Holding tells encourages terrorism

Aparantly JPHolding (Bob Turkel) has written a book called blowing the doors off Now Im not certain how he intended it to be taken however in a world of religious terrorists, crusaders and spanish inquisistions his book could easy be understood as an instruction manual on how to blow doors of things. Now maybe he only meant his book as a joke however will he be laughing when an abortion clicnic bomber buys his book and decides to go around their town blowing the doors of all the atheist houses in there area. I think that people like JP Holding (who is rude and obnoctious anyway) should be encouraging people not to do do terrorism rather than writing books encouraging people to blow doors of buildings.

Monday, 24 November 2008

Did the vatican start xianity

I came accross a new argument against the resurection of jebus. Now im not saying that this explanation is the right one however if atheists can find a naturalistic way to explain all the data then a naturalistic explanation wins.

Now suppose in a million years time the vatican scientists invent a time machine. They travel back to meet jebus and find that he never existed. Realising that their faith is ruined (and that they will loose all there power) the vatican send an actor back usingthe time machine theyve just invented to pretend to be jebus. That person then uses advanced futuristic technology to perform miracles and heal people and fake the resurection. Then they travel back and destroy the time machine. Thus xianity was caused by the vatican of the future.

Now im not saying that this is what happened however it seems more plausable than your silly religion being true.

Friday, 21 November 2008

C S Lewis was so thick

C S Lewis is often given by gullible xians as one of there most intelligent apologists. Well I thought that today id demonstrate how he was a complete thicko by examing one of his most famous arguments. Namely that narnia could be hidden in a wardrobe.

How big is a wardrobe? 2 meters by 1 meter seems like a good estimate. How big is narnia? thousands of kilometers by thousands of kilometes. So how could a massive place like narnia fit into a tiny wardrobe?

Now some people might jump to C S Lewis defense and claim that he didnt really believe narnia existed however that is not the point. If he couldnt get his maths correct in a story, fictional or not, the how could he anywhere else? And is beliving in a sky daddy and less stupid than beliving narnia is in your wardrobe?

Thursday, 20 November 2008

Jebus wants to eat us....

Ive come accross a great argument from Christopher Hitchens. Basically, Jebus said that he is a shepheard and that we are his sheep. Well what does a shepheard do? They look after the sheep until they are fat and then eat them. Therefore Jebus wants to eat us if you believe the bible.

Monday, 17 November 2008

Why are there copying errors in the bible

Your sky daddy being omnipotent, as they are, could have easily made sure that your bible got copied each time without errors. Imagine that everytime some scribe was about to make a copying error their pen broke or it temporarily stopped working. That way the scribe would know to check what they were copying again. Or suppose you sky daddy corrected there copied version when nobody was looking. Or why didnt your skydaddy send a photocopier down from heaven so that the disciples could copy their gospels? I mean, giving the disciples the gift of a photocopier would be far more practicle than giving them the gift of the holy spirit who doesnt even exist. Clearly they could have guaranteed that the bible went down from generation to generation without any copying errors.

And so it might come as suprise to some xians that the bible does infact have billions of copying errors - more errors than there are words in the bible.

Friday, 14 November 2008

Walking on water

This video here shows that walking on water is not that difficult. I expect jebus used a similar technique

Thursday, 13 November 2008

Xians against democracy

Xians seem to think that the truth is not determined by popular vote. And so when I use things like star ratings on amazon or bad faith award votes they complain. But this is what most people call democracy. I suppose that these xians believe that we should go back to ye olde days when once person such as the pope decided what is true.

Monday, 10 November 2008

Typical anti-atheist behaviour

I was walking along the street the other day wearing my A t-shirt. A car driving past must have noticed because it drove through a puddle next to where I was walking and I got splashed by the puddle. I have no evidence that this was because I'm an atheist howevever it wouldnt suprise me. This is just the type of anti-atheist behaviour so common nowadays.

Friday, 7 November 2008

Bad Faith awards

You can now vote for the bad faith awards here. I notice that that tom wright guy they keep talking about at theologyweb has been nominated for one...

Monday, 3 November 2008

A well known, and scholarly, argument against xiansity

1. the person next to jebus in leonardo da vincis painting of the last supper has long hair
2.Only women have long hair
3.Therefore the person next to jebus was a woman
4.The only woman who has red hair in the bible is mary magdoline
5.Therefore jebus sat next to mary magdoline at the last supper
6.Jebus would have only sat next to mary magdoline had he been married to her
7.Thus jebus was married to mary magdoline
8.Xianity cannot be true if jebus was married
9.So xianity is not true

Wednesday, 29 October 2008

The orbit of the planets

Xians used to think that their sky daddy controlled the planets however we now know that they orbit in a mathematically predictable manor.

The causes obvious problems as a year is linked to how long it takes the earth to orbit the sun and so it would be impossible for your sky daddy to change how long a year lasted as and when they felt like it.

So what if i prayed that Christmas would come early this year? If your sky daddy could not answer my prayer then there are prayers that cannot be answered however if they could then they would break the laws of science. I think those theists are going to be stumped by this thought of mine.

Monday, 27 October 2008

Expelled should be expelled from amazon

For some reason expelled has the same number of amazon stars as Indianna Jones. How dishonest are these xians that they rate there stupid expelled movie with 5 stars. At least there are plenty of atheists giving it the reviews and ratings it deserves

Friday, 24 October 2008

A proof against religion

1. The truth is determined by what people find stupid (i.e. law of common sense)
2. Many people such as myself, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Bill Maher and thousands of others find religion stupid
3. therefore religion is not true

Wednesday, 22 October 2008

An important question...

Can your sky daddy pick there nose?

Sunday, 19 October 2008

To many versions to choose from...

Now xians might not be aware of this, however there are different translations of the bible. So I can look up a passage in one bible and it will be different wording to if I looked it up in another. But if the bible is the word of a sky daddy then how come the wording is different depending on the version? Which bible is the word of your sky daddy? The origional greek version or the modern one, the old fashioned king james one or the johovah witness version?

Wednesday, 15 October 2008

Debate on the Resurrection

Below is another debate where an xian get the floor wiped with them. It is between an idiot called gary habermas and an intelligent atheist called Kenneth Humphreys. Some highlights from the debate:

  • You could us all the xian arguments to prove that snow white is historical
  • There are more words in a Mcdonalds happy meal leaflet than resurection bits in the new testament
  • These xians are dishonest, for example they claim most scholars agree with them without mentioning Robert Price

    Debate 2 from atheist debate on Vimeo.
  • Monday, 13 October 2008 <-Worth looking at

    Saturday, 11 October 2008

    Dishonest Xians

    The lengths xians will go to in order to ignore my arguments is amazing. Ever since they discovered my blog theyve been making out that im a parody. Yes thats right, everyone from me to Rook Hawkins is a fake according to them. Cant they just accept that my arguments are better and that im genuine?

    Thursday, 9 October 2008

    A very intelligent argument for atheism

    Theres a famous argument about a cat in a box and how you only know if the cat is dead when you look inside the box. Now it then follows that is a sky daddy existed they would be able to look in the box when you arent and so if a sky daddy existed the cat would die when you look in the box. But ofcourse, the cat dies when you look in the box, or your sky daddy, and so you are more important in nature than your sky daddy. But why would a sky daddy make such a world? Obviously they dont exist as otherwise the cat would die before you look inside the box when ti doesnt.

    This type of argument is the sort the most intellectualy sophistated philosophers use. I admit that it seems a difficult argument to understand, and if I struggle to understand it I imagine it will go over the heads of you xians.

    Tuesday, 7 October 2008

    Was jebus ripped of from azteck worship?

    More and more seems to be coming to light to indicate that xianity was ripped of from previous religions. Well now it turns out that the command to love your sky daddy with all your heart was stolen from the Aztecs.

    Here is my higly scholarly source

    Monday, 6 October 2008

    Thursday, 2 October 2008

    How long did it take your sky daddy to get around to writing the new testament

    lets be generous and assume that the new testament was written 50 years after jebus was alive (I know that most of it was written in the second century however im being generous)

    2peter3 says "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years"

    So each day is like a thousand years. There are 365 days in a year, 18250 days in 50 years and so is we multiply it by a thousand we end up with 18250000 years of sky daddy time. Thats a massive gap between the jebus being alive and your sky daddy getting around to writing about it.

    Wednesday, 24 September 2008

    Proof Paul burned the evidence his religion was ripped of from sun god worship

    A while ago i mentioned how the reason we have no primary source evidence that jebus was ripped of from sun god worship is because the vatican destroyed it all. I was then asked how i knew this. Well i came across such evidence today that has been sitting right under the xians noses:

    When this became known to the Jews and Greeks living in Ephesus, they were all seized with fear, and the name of the Lord Jesus was held in high honor. 18Many of those who believed now came and openly confessed their evil deeds. 19A number who had practiced sorcery brought their scrolls together and burned them publicly.

    The above comes from Acts19:17 and describes how paul himself got these sun god writings and burned them all. The phrase 'those who practices sourcery' is another way of saying 'those who worshiped sun gods' when read in the historical context acts was written.

    Tuesday, 23 September 2008

    A quick test

    Imagine your walking along and a couple on young children come up to you. You know these children as the son and daughter of your best friend. With a cheeky smile on their face, the children in a joking manor laugh and call you bauldy. Infact, ever since you hair fell out this has been your nickname and so you laugh back and carry on your way.

    Now imagine that you are a sky daddy. What do you do:

    a)Laugh and demonstrate a good sense of humour. Afterall, calling some guy bauldy is hardly a crime.
    b)Send hundreds of bears to shred the children to pieces and give the slowest and most painful death that you can. Then send them to eternsl punishment in hell afterwards
    c)Feel sorry for the guy and make his hair grow back so that he can have the last laugh

    Now the answer xians give will test how well they know their bible.........

    Sunday, 21 September 2008

    Evidence before the universe?

    xians point to the origin of the universe as evidence for their sky daddy, so does that mean that before the universe was made they had no evidence for their sky dadys existance?

    Friday, 19 September 2008

    Did jebus write the gospels?

    I came across a new take on the gospels here:

    What if Jesus wrote them? If he did not die on the cross, it is conceivable that he wrote the Gospels to enhance his ministry/message and create the illusion of his death, resurrection, and fulfillment of God's promise of eternal life. He was the "ghost writer" in all these documents as he could have easily claimed to have been any of these Apostles in places who never heard of, or knew of, Jesus.......which were more than less.

    Thursday, 18 September 2008

    are we perfect?

    1) your sky daddy is perfect
    2)therefore everything they do, including making us, is perfect
    3)thus they would make us perfect
    4)being perfect would mean being a sky daddy and so if your sky daddy is perfect so must we be
    5)Hitler was not perfect and so neither is your sky daddy

    Wednesday, 17 September 2008

    Tuesday, 16 September 2008

    prrof your sky daddy is imagionary...

    You believe that your sky daddy is invisible, right?

    You believe that your sky daddy is your friend, right?

    So you believe in an invisible friend? right?

    Isnt another word for an invisible friends and imagionary friend? right

    Saturday, 13 September 2008

    Muslims are stupid

    normally i use my intelligent powers to show xians how stupid they are however today i thought id do the same to muslims.

    this is one of the main muslim apologetics sites and it is really stupid. Now I have many good arguments against xianity, however this one is stupid:

    Jesus was bearded, as are most Muslims, but only the rare Christian.

    There logic seems to be that because jebus had a beard and muslims do their religion must be true. but ofcourse jebus never said that people had to have beards otherwise it would be like me saying richard dawkins doesnt have a beard and so every atheist must. Muslims should read my blog if they want good arguments against jebus

    And so whats there arguments against atheism? Well read it here

    When comparing the appearance of an embryo at the mudghah stage with a piece of gum that has been chewed, we find similarity between the two.

    They even have a photo of an embryo next to a piece of chewing gum and claim that the koran says that an embryo is a chewed substance.

    It appears that muslims are even more stupid than xians

    Wednesday, 10 September 2008

    CERN disproves yor sky daddy

    those of you who are up to date on science, such as myself, will know that today they will turn on cern which will prove that the universe popped out of nowhere without a sky daddy. Then we will have even more evidence that xians are deluded.

    Tuesday, 9 September 2008

    another article refuting the resurection

    I came across this great article here

    I knew most of the stuff in it however i had never realised that when paul wrote about the resurection he/she never mentioned jebus and so how do we know it was jebus resurection paul was refering to?

    Sunday, 7 September 2008


    This film looks like it should be worth watching.

    Its by Bill Maher, who I found out today is on the board for Sam Harris reason project, something else im really looking foward to.

    Saturday, 6 September 2008

    Who was jebus mother?

    Now xians believe that jebus was the son of their sky daddy. But anyone who knows anything about biology would realise that you need a mother. So if your sky daddy was jebuss father who was his/her mother?

    Now xians might say that amoebas dont have mothers however that would mean that yor sky daddy is a single cell organism and so this is a messed up analogy.

    Or maybe Mary was however how can an invisible firend have sex with someone?

    Friday, 5 September 2008

    Johhny makes his most tupid comment yet

    Some idiot who goes under the name of Johnny wrote:

    If i'm wrong, and God does not exist, then i really could not care less, what you believe.
    And if that is the case, it honestly does not matter.

    Now I thought that pascals wager had been universally rejected and had no idea that some people were still so stupid they still used it. The problem here is that i could say to johhny that he can go to heaven if they worships me. If im wrong i have nothing to loose.

    Thursday, 4 September 2008

    Jebus says that im right

    Would you like me to say that my arguments are rubbish and that you are right? Would you like me to give you all my money and me to say im stupid?
    Do you follow Jebus?
    Well, Jebus said treat others as youd like to be treated. You'd like to be treated by me saying that you are right so you should treat me the same.

    Wednesday, 3 September 2008

    CS Lewis admitted that the bible contained failed propheses

    There is an article here that shred xianity to pieces

    CS Lewis aparantly wrote once:

    "Say what you like," we shall be told, "the apocalyptic beliefs of the first Christians have been proved to be false. It is clear from the New Testament that they all expected the Second Coming in their own lifetime. And, worse still, they had a reason, and one which you will find very embarrassing. Their Master had told them so. He shared, and indeed created, their delusion. He said in so many words, ‘this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.’ And he was wrong. He clearly knew no more about the end of the world than anyone else."

    So even C S Lewis admited that the bible contains false propeses

    Monday, 1 September 2008

    Can your sky daddy commit suicide

    Now can your sky daddy commit suicide? If they cant then there are things people can do but your sky daddy cant. If they can then what would happen if they got bored of existing?

    Now this is when xians throw up an excuse like "my sky daddy is omnipresent" but to do that theyd have to prove that it is omnipresent first.

    Thursday, 28 August 2008

    All Xians who read my blog are fundamentalist

    The fact that all the xians who vist my thread haven't been convinced by my devestating arguments just shows how fundamenetalist they all are. A fundamentalist is someone who won't change their opinion about something when faced with good evidence and logic. As my blog is full of good arguments and logic any xians who doesn't become an atheist after reading it must be a fundamentalist

    Are there any xian forums people could recomend which arent full of fundamentalists?

    Wednesday, 27 August 2008

    Difficult questions for xians

    I came accross this list of devestating questions xians cant answer

    Genesis is a myth

    My blog seems to be atracting intelligent people from across the internet. My last post recieved a comment from Mark, so I popped over to his blog and was impressed. I knew he was intelligent when i saw a link to the skeptics annotated bible in his links list, which happens to be one of my favorite websites to. Then I read his most recent post. I would encourage you xians to take a look at his last post. It's a pure work of genius.

    I just cant believe that xians are so stupid they actually believe this genesis nonsense.

    Tuesday, 26 August 2008

    Evidence please

    After listening with an open mind to all these xians I find that they havent given me any credible evidence for their sky daddy. Now if they gave me some evidence then ofcourse i would convert however at the moment I see less evidence than for father christmas.

    Friday, 22 August 2008

    The argument from Google Maps

    1)Xians say that their sky daddy exists everywhere
    2)Everywhere includes planet earth
    3Anything that exists on planet earth can be found on Google maps

    Therefore if their sky daddy existed xians would be able to show me where they exist on Google maps

    If xians cant show me a GPS coordinate for their skydaddy or give me a link to their skydaddy on google maps then atheism is true

    So tell me silly xians, how do I find Jebus on Google maps?

    Wednesday, 20 August 2008

    Was Jesus crucified?

    I would firstly like to welcome the wiggan crossfitter to my blog. It's nice to have someone intelligent visit my blog once in a while instead of these xian idiots. Ignore what the xians say, my arguments are top notch.

    Now xians believe that jebus was crucified and then paul became an xian after jebus died. But how come then Paul says "Jesus, who is called Justus, also sends greetings." in Colossians 4:11? It appears that Paul thinks Jebus was alive and well living with him. Thus he must have survived crucifiction and Paul hid Jebus in his cave.

    Was Jesus crucified?

    Tuesday, 19 August 2008

    Contradictions in the bible

    Dan Barker once asked an xian what they would count as a contradiction in the bible. They said that it would be something like one gopel saying jebus was cricified on a tuesday and the other saying he was crucified on a Friday. Now when xians want concrete examples of contradicions like that how can us atheists possible argue our case? Xians seem to think that if they can find a way to reconcile the contradictions we produce it somehow makes them go away but why? Simply saying one was using metaphoriacal language, or that they are refering to different times or just because one gospel doesn't mention it doesn't mean it contradicts with the gospel that does is a complete cop out.

    Take the two genealogies, now they clearly contradict each other and yet xians will claim that one is for marys side of the family and the other is for josephs. As if we are going to accept that.

    Thursday, 14 August 2008

    Lord of the rings and star wars Vs the bible

    Anyone who has met a starwars or lord of the rings fan will know how fanatical they can be about a work of fiction. Infact some star wars fans have even tried to get jedi as an official religion. So if, say, 2000 years ago someone wrote a best selling novel called the bible would it be difficult to see how people might have started taking it a bit to seriously? You know, just as you get lord of the rings conventions they started to organise jesus parties. Soon this got out of hand and people forgot that it was only a fictional story...and here we are now with only intelligent people like me realising how the bible is only a novel.

    Wednesday, 13 August 2008

    Proof your sky daddy doesn't exist...

    If you sky daddy can do anything then can they exist and no exist at once? If they cannot then they cant do anything. If they can then they are illogical

    Saturday, 9 August 2008

    There are no atheists in prison

    Now xians say that they are more moral than atheists, but if that is so then how do they explain that there are only 0.002% of people in prison in the world who are atheists?

    Friday, 8 August 2008

    The Stupidity Olympics

    I thought that as the olympics started today i would start my own stupidity olympics.

    Relay Race
    The group who comes up with stupid arguments together as a team effort
    Silver:the catholic church
    Bronze:answers in Genesis

    The Marathon
    The person who says something stupid whenever they open their mouth
    Gold:David Robertson
    Silver: Johnny who keeps leaving posts on my blog
    Bronze: Spacefoetus

    100m Sprint
    The one-off stupid arguments
    Gold:Way of the masters banana argument
    Silver:william lane craig for claiming he is a scholar
    Bronze:Andy Macingtosh for claiming the second law of thermodynamics contradicts evolution when he is a professor in thermodynamics

    The person who is more interested in fighting you rather than giving arguments
    Gold:Kelp, who bans me from the forum
    Silver: Bob Turkel (who claims to be JP Holding) for encouraging everyone behind my back to call me stupid
    Bronze:Mountain Man for trying to ban me to

    I might think up some other chategories and give out more awards as the olympics goes on

    Thursday, 7 August 2008

    How does your sky daddy eat?

    You sky daddy is meant to be a living being? right? And all living beings require food, right? So where does your sky daddy get their food from?

    Wednesday, 6 August 2008


    Fifi asked me to post about evolution and so i thought i would. Now many years ago before darwin everyone thought a sky daddy made the universe and then darwin came along and presented a sound theory called evolution. Imagine trying to explain how life jumped up a mountain from no life to people, well we will call this mount improbable. Now imagine it is a slope rather than a mountain and life gradually changed. Well now we can see how random cell mutations would create life.

    There is also lots of evidence or evolution. Now evolution is not a theory of chance however it shows how life got here by chance and so scientists now no that the universe was an accident.

    Friday, 1 August 2008

    Eat honey?

    Proverbs 24:13 says "eat honey, my son, for it is good; honey from the comb is sweet to your taste"

    Now, firstly do all xians follow their bible and eat honey? Are people who are ilergic to honey unable to become christians or do they have to follow the bible and eat honye even if they die? Secondly honey is bad for your teeth and so the bibles advice goes against dental science.

    Thursday, 31 July 2008

    I win another debate

    Well, Ive finished my debate with spacefoestus and wiped the floor with him.

    Read the debate here

    Monday, 28 July 2008

    Sand People

    Aparantly the word sand people is seen as so racist it gives you another 2 weeks restricted posting of theologyweb however why it is racist? All im saying is that the bible was written by people who were stupid irespective of their skin color.

    I also had this brainwave over the last week. I saw a 3 for the price of 1 offer in a shop and thought that they do this to try and sell stuff. Maybe the first xians were trying a similar tactic in coming up with the trinity.

    Friday, 18 July 2008

    Banned from Theologyweb

    I appear to have been banned from theologyweb until the 21st of July, yet another ploy to stop me posting devestating arguments

    An update

    For some reason i wrote a response to spacefoetus earlier today and yet the moderator still hasnt approved it on theologyweb, clearly evidence that my posts are so good the poor little xian moderators are to scared to publish it incase it causes someone to loose their faith.

    Im also going away for a weeks holiday however i will be back and having had a hole week to think of an argument might very well have the most devestating argument yet...

    Wednesday, 16 July 2008

    My debate with spacefoestus

    Well im doing another debate, this time with spacefoetus. Ive just posted my fist response and im waiting for the moderators to improve it as they are having aprove all posts again.

    Follow it here

    Monday, 14 July 2008

    Mat Slick is ripped apart

    The rational response squad have ripped apart this xian apologist called mat slick. He just kept telling them that he could only answer one question at a time and accused them of style over substance and interpupting him before he had time to answer etc He also kept getting his facts wrong and rook hawkins had to keep correcting him.

    You can listen to it here, its worth doing if only for the cool rap song at the beginning.

    Sunday, 13 July 2008

    to big to measure

    Firstly they seem to be moderating my posts again on theologyweb, clearly a ploy to prevent me making spacefoetus look stupid in a debate.

    Science shows that things are measureable however xians say that their sky daddy is to big to measure and so it contradicts science.

    Saturday, 12 July 2008

    hello everyone

    now why does the bible say its wrong to get drunk i think its quite fun really i got drunk and i can still blog intelligent posts des[pite it. horaay those people who belives in stuff dont kow how to have fun

    Friday, 11 July 2008

    Sky daddies are illogical

    if a sky daddy existed then what did it do before it made the universe? There was nothing before the universe and so it would have had nothing to think about or do. It would have therefore got bored. But if your sky daddy is perfect then how can it get bored. Thus it is impossible for your sky daddy to exist.

    Thursday, 10 July 2008

    What if xians had evidence? A purely theoretical question.

    I came across a brilliant argument whilst surfing the Richard Dawkins forums. You sky daddy is complex and therefore anything is more probable than them raising Jebus from the dead. Thus if we can use our imaginations to think of an alternative way of explaing this we are o.k. Now obviously xians havent given us any evidenc whatsoever yet but if they did all the would show is that aliens came down to earth, used superior technology to bring jebus back to life and then disapper again or another explanation. Take you pick as anything i slogically a better xplanation than goddidit

    Wednesday, 9 July 2008

    Is paul a myth?

    I notice that people question heather jebus existed but should we just take for granted the fact paul existed? how do we know that paul isnt a myth to?

    Tuesday, 8 July 2008

    Richard Dawkins is not rude...however xians are

    Sometimes xians claim that us atheists are rude however all we do is make the odd humerous comment. Infact, Richard Dawkins has only made such remarks against the real enemies of reason such as william lane craig, dinesh d'susa, Boteach, David Robertson. Xians, on the other hand, get their teachings from the bible and are always saying rude things to Richard Dawkins. If you think otherwise then watch this 30 second video.

    Monday, 7 July 2008

    Theyre all wrong

    In todays news, Johnny doesnt know the population of the world. Clever people like me understand what wikipedia is for and that it is 6,671,226,000 It just shows how using his scholarly sources gets him into all kinds of messes and he should use wikipedia instead.

    The theology web team have also been proven wrong in asserting how the reserection of Jebus grew out of nowhere. It appears that theyve just found a stone which says that everyone at the time was expecting a rising messiah.

    I therefore conclude that it is rational to assume that the theologyweb crew are wrong about everything

    Sunday, 6 July 2008

    Sam Harris' Survery Results

    You might remember that I posted a survery Sam Harris did a while ago. Well here are the results

    Saturday, 5 July 2008

    athiesm vs theism

    I came accross this great article here.

    It shows how 2,229,074,100 people died because of religion however 45,000,000 died because of atheism. Now i know that xians dont like statistics however its all there.

    Friday, 4 July 2008

    Stupid excuses

    For some strange reason xians seem to think that we cant question their skydaddy as in order to do so we'd have to be a sky daddy. But we can turn that around, if I can think of something I could do better how do we know im not correct. Who says that a sky daddy doesnt have to adhehere to my standards?

    Thursday, 3 July 2008

    did jebus feed 5000 people?

    Often people ask how jebus fed the 5000 however if the fish was mouldy then nobody would have taken any and thats how there was enough to go around. Or maybe they chopped the fish into 5000 tiny pieces and nobody was that hungry that day. Maybe its a myth and the fish represented star signs. Maybe jebus was the david blaine of his day. Theres all kinds of rational explanations.

    Wednesday, 2 July 2008

    Bertrand Russell

    Bertrand Russell is often considered one of the greatest thinkers of all time and having been impressed by his teapot argument i thought i would try reading one of his books. So i bought 'why i am not a christian' So far it is really good, most of the arguments are ones i already know (such as who made god) but this one was new to me:

    Christ tells us to become as little children, but little children cannot understand the differential calculus, or the principles of currency, or the modern methods of combating disease. To acquire such knowledge is no part of our duty, according to the church.

    This bit is online here (although id recomed buying the book):

    His most famous essay can be found here

    This guy is an even bigger genius than I was expecting

    Monday, 30 June 2008

    William stupid craig

    Although Im away visiting my parents ive managed to pop on to the net and post a much awaited new blog post.

    Aparantly that nincoompoop who debated bill cooke challenged richard dawkins to a debate. You can read about it here

    Richard Dawkins obviously turned him down however did write a rebuttal of one of his essays:

    One of our commenters on another thread, stevencarrwork, posted a link to this article by the American theologian and Christian apologist William Lane Craig. I read it and found it so dumbfoundingly, staggeringly awful that I wanted to post it again. It is a stunning example of the theological mind at work. And remember, this is NOT an 'extremist', 'fundamentalist', 'picking on the worst case' example. My understanding is that William Lane Craig is a widely respected apologist for the Christian religion. Read his article and rub your eyes to make sure you are not having a bad dream.


    However this is the best thread, I'll share some of the comments about debating william lane craig:

    I would rather see Dawkins debate the existence of leprechauns maybe on Jerry Springer

    I'd agree. Debating the creationists is like feeding the trolls. People should rise above such pointless behavior.

    If this William Lane Craig geezer is so shit-hot, why is it that this here forum is still marching happily along without having had someone demolish us nasty atheists with Craig's arguments?

    The same reason he's never sought out my son to debate the existence of Santa Claus!

    Saturday, 28 June 2008

    Is God a Coke Dealer?

    Recently god was arrested for dealing drugs. Now xians will say 'oh, this guy was just pretending ti be god' but then how do we know the same isnt true for jebus?

    Friday, 27 June 2008

    Christian names?

    The other day someone asked me what my christian name was. Well, I told them that I dont have one as im not a christian. They then told me that what they meant was is my first name. Well if they meant that why didnt they say so? What we see is people deliberately trying to push their religion down your nose. I asked them why they didnt call it an atheist name and they said that this was what everyone else they know calls it whereas they've never heard it called an atheist name before. Well, I then started telling them about how they shouldnt just follow everyone and be brainwashed. I asked them if they were an xian and they said no and so I must have had some impact on them. Anyway, I told them my first name and made them promise to never use the phrase 'christian name' again. Job well done.

    Thursday, 26 June 2008

    Why is the universe so big?

    Isnt it a bit unkind on all the planets in the universe without life on? Why did your sky daddy bother making them? Couldnt they have simply made planet earth and the universe a bit smaller? I can see several explanations:

    -they are a show of making the universe bigger than they had to
    -they are incompetant and made a lot of waste
    -they didnt realsie that smaller is more practicle

    Wednesday, 25 June 2008

    light act Mr Arse

    Someone pointed out the other day that Alistair McGrath (a retarded theologian) is an anagram for 'light act Mr Arse' A coincidence?

    Tuesday, 24 June 2008

    Cooke vs an idiot

    Watch this xian being used to wipe the floor. Cooke won that debate several times over.

    Monday, 23 June 2008

    More evidence that xians are lying about zeitgeit

    Everyone on Digg thinks its the best movie ever.

    Is everything in zeitgeist the movie false?

    Xians often say that nothing in zeitgeist the movie is true, however towards the beginning of the film is the sum 1+1=2 written on the screen Now are xians saying that 1+1 does not equal 2? I'm confused. But if they accept that is correct then how do we know that other parts of the film arent true either, such as the son god = sun god bit? Xians just dismiss everything that doesnt fit their narrow bigoted views even when it means claiming 1+1 does not equal 2. How can you debate with people who dont accept basic maths?

    Sunday, 22 June 2008

    When will people stop believeing in sky daddies?

    Another intelligent article which was posted on Richard Dawkins website explains how in 100 years xianity wont exist (click here) Half the people they asked said that nobody would be an xian by then. I wont be alive then unless science makes people live longer, which it might. Imagine living in an non-xian country.

    Now im not saying that a muslim country would be better however with people like Richard Dawkins on the loose how can anyone still be believe in sky daddies in only 50 years time?

    Saturday, 21 June 2008

    Why re our testciles on the outside?

    Why is it that your sky daddy put our testicles on the outside and made them very sensitive? Surely an intelligent designer would but them on the inside covered in protective stuff like armour. Indeed, there are many things badly designed in the universe. So if there is a designer they cant be very intelligent. And thats before we ask who designed the designer. Clearly this universe wasnt designed.

    Friday, 20 June 2008

    Beaming the bible

    Ive been thinking over the past few days how your sky daddy should beam the bible into our heads. Now one common criticism is that people dont read the bible before commenting on it however if we had a copy beamed into our heads when we were born it would not be a problem. I find it is hard to know if i should believe the bible or the koran or the book of mormon however if the bible was already in my head then it would be obvious. Also think of all the time people waste reading their bibles however under my plan people could use the time to do other things like researching science.

    Now this is logically sound proof that my way is better however if i can do something better than your sky daddy why dont you worship me?

    Thursday, 19 June 2008

    Another one sees reason

    Oystein Elgaroy was one of the top xian apologists in the world and seen as one of the few scientists to believe in a sky daddy. I say was because he was so bowled over by Chrisopher Hitchens arguments and intellect that he is now an atheist. You can read about it here

    Ofcourse this is not the first time that the xian apologetic community has lost one of their big guns. People like John Loftus were right at the top of xian apologetics before realising that they kept loosing debates and decided to convert. bart erhman was studying to become one of the top xian scholars in the world but studying made him loose his faith.

    i would recommend this site which lists people who studied their faith and realised it was wrong

    Wednesday, 18 June 2008

    The bar? what bar?

    sometimes people accuse freethinkers of raising the bar everytime xians give us some evidence. Well firstly xians never give us evidence and secondly your sky daddy shouldnt have made it possible to raise the bar. we can ask for as much evidence as bloody well like and if you cant give it to us then your religion is stupid.

    Monday, 16 June 2008

    the sermon on the mount

    one of the most famous parts of the bible is the sermon on the mount but we can see that it is a bit of bizare story. Firstly why did jebus do it on a mountain? It seemed a bit much to make everyone walk to the top of a mountain to hear him when he could have done it somewhere not in the middle of nowhere. Next if there were millions of people how did they all hear him? It was also where he said to love your neighbour but what if your neighbour isnt very nice? Clealry this has all the hallmarks of a made up story. indeed wed expect at least a few of the people to write about it in heir diaries or their blog equivilant and yet where is the evidence such an event took place?

    Sunday, 15 June 2008

    why do xians write books

    why is it that so many people have written books and articles against richard dawkins? similarly the same can be said for the da vinci code. is it because xians are scared that their faith has been demolished and are trying to cover it up? Why is it that atheists dont write loads of responses to xian books? Is it because we know they are rubbish.I can tell if an xian book is rubbish by just looking at who wrote it and the title. Another theory which richard dawkins himself suggests is that they are fleas trying to make money of his back. how dishonest.

    Saturday, 14 June 2008

    why dont i have freewill

    your skydaddy didnt give us freewill and if i had freewill i would be able to travel back in time, fly around, lift rocks heavier than myself, jump of cliffs and never die etc. why didnt your sky daddy give me freewill but instead restrict me to the laws of the universe?

    now you might say that as our thoughts are just chemical reactions in my brain atheism doesnt have freewill either however atheists have no one to blame for that.

    Friday, 13 June 2008

    I am intelligent

    Some people think that atheists are stupid however this is not what the latest research is showing. Read this article in a top newspaper. Infact, Richard Dawkins, a respected scientist, aknowledges that this research is cutting edge.

    I suspect that if someone like Einstein was coming up with the comments I am you'd all be nodding and commenting on how intelligent my comments were. Its only because you have this preconcieved idea that im stupid that you reject everything i say.

    It also makes me wonder if they is some kind of IQ test to get into heaven (not that it exists) the way you speak.

    Thursday, 12 June 2008

    reserection evidence blown out of the water (again)

    xians often harp on about the evidence for the resurrection however not only have I blown it out of the water someone else has as well. Click here Oh, and thanks to john loftus as well for recommending it on his blog as thats how i found out about it.

    Rather than leaving comments on my blog why not leave it on the blog i link to and we can have a massive debate.

    Wednesday, 11 June 2008

    the bible say that pi is 3

    somewhere in the bible it says that pi=3 now anyone who has done maths will no that this is not the case. 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    Tuesday, 10 June 2008

    why do xians lie?

    Why is it that xians lie all the time. There is this guy called david robertson who wrote a book called the dakins letters (he has the nerve to charge for it but it is also free on the internet however i wont link to it because i wouldnt want to publisise it) Anyway, he pops up in Richard Dawkins website now and again lying all the time. Look at his posts

    Here are some of his lies:

    ->he made up all the quotes on the back of his book recommending it
    ->he once paid a dud cheque to someone knowing it would go into his overdraft
    ->he said he is an xian then posted on a sunday
    ->he said richard dawkins commisioned a response to his book when richard dawkins only asked paul kirkby and no money was exchanged.
    ->he claims he never lies and that we have no evidence for these acusations

    now why is it xians lie all the time? anyway, going on richard dawkins website has backfired on him as people have now gone and written bad reviews of his book on amazon and his publishers site

    Monday, 9 June 2008

    Why science andf religion are incompatible: A youtube video

    I think this video I came across the other day sums up why mythology such as xianity and science are incompatible. It also show why thinking people are so annoyed at xians. I quite often feel the same frustration that guy in the video shows and so can simpothise.

    Sunday, 8 June 2008

    should we stone people for reading harry potter?

    According to the bible parents should stone their children to death simply for reading harry potter. indeed, these were the passages used in the witch hunts. We often look back and say how horrible witch hunts were but surely they were simply people following their bible.

    As xians realise that following the bible is wrong why dont they just go the full way and become atheists?

    Saturday, 7 June 2008

    Argument from amazon reviews

    Now if the bible was the word of a sky daddy wouldnt it have 5 stars on amazon and glowing reviews? Well no, it actually has less than 4 stars. If you dont believe me click here.

    Here are some of the reviews:

    This book should never be left where it could fall into the hands of children. Recurrent themes of bloody violence, murder, racism, incest and rape are dealt with extremely irresponsibly. Horrific events are presented as justified by circumstances and as solutions to petty wrongs.

    Constant repetition yet also hypocracy of previous chapters within the same sentance
    It's almost as if someone wrote this is some kind of a joke!

    First of all there seems to be a million different versions of The Bible to choose from, so settling down on just one is a little difficult. How would I know which one is the best? Eenie-meenie-miney-moe saves the day.

    The second half of the book introduces some new characters, most importantly Jesus Christ who seems to be based on Buddha. Here's a confusing part that is never really clarified. Jesus is the son of Mary and Joseph, but he is also referred to as the son of God. Which is it?

    I think we get the idea.

    Friday, 6 June 2008

    scientists prove that sky daddies didnt make the universe

    I've noticed that JB still hasnt responded to me, presumably because he cant think how to respond to my arguments. therefore i will give an interesting argument.

    in the news, scientists have proven that the universe was not made by a sky daddy but came from a parent universe.

    Wednesday, 4 June 2008

    A final whooping of JBs arse

    We find that JB has realised that he is loosing and so acuses me of being a parody and says that after one more post he will have to duck out. I also notice that JB is trying to make out that he is a top notch scholar but i see no evidence for this. JB has also done nothing to address my arguments.
    JB then shows his stupidity be responding to Fifi on his blog ... when fifi says that they dont read JBs blog.

    Highly inaccurate. Mike does not wish to grapple with the fact that he carefully evaded my arguments, as any comparison of our respective posts will demonstrate.
    Xians really are hipocrits.

    You need to show plausibility, not mere "possibility"
    Umm, hang on. you need to show that the reserection is plausable. Now a dead body being eaten by worms is fairly normal ond so possible. Dead people coming back to life never happens and is impossible. All i have to do is come up with an explanation that is better than your one. Why isnt saying that jebus rose from the dead plausable in your books? you might say 'oh wellm i know sky daddies exist and raise people from the dead' but then i can say 'well i just know worms ate jebus'

    Jesus existed
    Wow - what a refutation of my argument. you just state your beliefs as if they were facts

    The disciples didn't go to Pompeii after the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, Mike

    What's a rarity
    how often do people find skeletons? Couldnt we just conclude that archaologists have not found jebus skeleton yet? May James Caron has found jebus body?

    No non-Christian scholar thinks that any biblical documents were intended as historical?
    so they actually believe jubus rose from the dead? think again.

    Oh? Who (Roman ruler? Sanhedrin?), when (immediately? 40 AD? 50 AD? 60-80 AD?), and what's your evidence?
    I dont need to show that they did, just that they might have done. I dont need to show that jebus didn't rise from the dead, if there is a posability he didnt then any rational person will conclude that he didnt.

    Don't project the attitudes of the stereotypical, fundamentalist uber-fideist back onto the disciples, Mike.
    the disciples were fundamentalists, or at least there is no reson to assume they werent. how do you know that the diciples would change their opinions in the face of evidence?

    Don't be absurd, Mike. There's ample historical evidence that Christianity predated the reign of Emperor Constantine.
    which christianity? the ones who belived the gopel of thomas? the one of believed the gopel of judas? the ones who belived the secret gospel of mark? the ones who belived the gospel of barnabus?

    and that link is to a summary of a book that uses "Christianity" to mean Pauline Christianity, not "Christianity" in the sense of, e.g., Jesus' crucifixion, resurrection, and Lordship.

    but you are a pauline xian. But you admit that you follow paul and not jebus? why does pauline xianity and gospel xianity contradict?

    If it had been revealed in, say, 50 AD? News would have spread to the capital, yes, as the opponents of Christianity would have leapt at the chance to eradicate acclamation of Jesus as the Messiah by making known that Christianity was a proven fraud
    before cars it took ages to travel to rome so the news would have not got through

    (that is, the disciples) firmly believed in the physical resurrection
    how do you know that without getting inside their heads? maybe it was all an april fools day joke gone wrong?

    who cremated Jesus, and when? Details, Mike, details are key. Vague proposals gain you nothing.
    i'm showing it is possible for the reserection not to be true. A naturalist xplanation is always better than a supernatural one even if there is no evidence for it.

    That's not "argumentation", it's mere assertion. The persecution of the early church is a recognized historical fact.
    you seem very reluctant to give me any evidence for this so called historical 'fact'. I notice that im meant to back up all my claims with evidence and you dont. Shouldnt it be the other way around?

    The comparison does not hold, since Smith went down fighting and would not have been spared by repudiating his teachings and his story.
    so? Maybe the disciples would have been persecuted (assuming they were) regardless of whether thy owned up to it all being a lie.

    First of all, that's false, and I ask you to substantiate the claim.
    which ive already done with my photos of dionysus

    I've basically co-taught courses in logic.
    i mean proper logic, not xian logic

    First of all, there's a distinction to be drawn between art and literature. Second, provenance would apply most properly to biblical manuscripts, not to the content of the text itself. Third, yes, I could provide a rough estimate of the date of most individual biblical documents, the New Testam
    i can confirm that both those photos i gave pre date xianity. And even they didnt it seems unlikely that dionysusism changed radically after jebus

    Mike refers to this post, but neither there or here does he both to actually substantiate his claim that the Vatican destroyed the evidence that would have justified his positio
    I did substantiate it by giving you a link o a video by an archaologist (they is a photo of her digging in the video) who shows pictures of the vatican destroying evidence

    I think that JB better stop beLIEving Jebus rose from the dead, how is his case any more convincing that this lots? Where did the belief that elvis is alive come from? what about all the eyewitnesses. Oh dear, has JB already signed up.

    Tuesday, 3 June 2008

    JB gets beated yet again

    JB has now realised that ive smashed his argument and is acusing me of only focusing on trivial points. No JB, it that your points were all trivial.

    Second, I'd like Mike to articulate what "special conditions" applied to the preservation of Yohanan's bones that would not have, within a non-resurrection framework, also have applied to Jesus' bones.
    Maybe jebus' body was exposed to the air more, or there was a worm infestation in the tomb of jebus. i dunno, all i need to show is that it is possible that jebus body rotted away. Maybe we dont have jebus body because he didnt exist. Scholars like G A Wells thinks so. just use your imagination. Domonic crossan thinks dogs ate jebus body. there all kinds of options which dont resort to sky daddies

    Third, Mike is obviously playing the 'idiot atheist' role at this point, because his assertion of no skeletons being found at Pompeii is patently false.

    I meant the disciples found no skeletons there and your articles you linked to dont show that. And anyway, these are a rareity which is why it was mentioned in the magazines you linked to

    Aside from the blatant falsity of Mike's claim that "only Christians take the Bible slightly seriously
    emm no. no non-christian scholar doesnt recognise that the bible is full of errors, biased and was not written as history.

    why the authorities never disconfirmed the Christian account
    they did. Have the authoroties disconfirmed mormonism? Yes. Does that stop mormons? No. Obviously if the authorities had proven xianity to be false wouldnt the disciples have the same atitude mormons do. They would claim that the devil had put it there to test them or something.

    on a much grander scale, and without recourse to a founding figure
    consintine founded xianity. or maybe paul did

    third, that the issues surrounding, e.g., the Book of Abraham are such that the rank-and-file Mormon is unaware of them
    would your rank and file xian living in rome be aware of jebus body?

    fourth, that Latter-day Saint apologists can offer some arguments on their behalf, no matter how ultimately devoid of significance
    Maybe the diciples came up with arguments for the fact jebus was still in his tomb. Maybe the cremeated him.

    and if you care to invoke his opinion, you'll have to provide the supporting argumentation as well.
    ummmm - i did. I pointed out that there is no evidence that the first xians were persecuted.

    also gained greatly from the power of their positions, and the founder went out fighting during his lynching.
    my point, the founder of mormonism dided for their beliefs.

    given that Mormonism is by its very nature an offshoot of Christianity
    And xianity is an offshot from paganism

    No, Mike. Substantiation for the alleged implication ("so people got bored and made up stories of [resurrected] friends for fun"). Hop to it.
    Well when people are bored they do things to entertain themselves. So they decided to make a new religion.

    That's not an ad hominem attack, Mike. You don't appear to know what that term means. And no, you don't get to use it unless you invoke it properly: introduce it, expound it, argue for it, and defend it from criticism.
    You really should take a course in logic. Why dont you start here.

    If you want to defend the usefulness of memetics, by all means do so. However, memetics does not "explain why people believed in the resurrection". You postulate no sufficient cause for the "Jesus-rose-from-the-dead meme", nor do you explain its spread.
    Basically memes work like evolution. So each generation of xians comes up with variations of the reserection meme and the most successfuly version of the myth survives. I realise that it is a bit complicated and you preoberly dont understand meme theory byut many inteligent people think it is the best advancement in biology of the twentth century.

    A picture of a relief, without any data as to its provenance, its date, etc., cannot be acceptable evidence.
    In which case you cant use the bible asthat doesnt have a date written on it or a sign saying its provenance

    Mike, if you really want to make solid arguments on this point, you'll need to back up your stance with literary evidence, not just artistic,
    Unfortuantly the vatican have destroyed that kind of evidence. infact ive written a whole blog entry on this

    How peculiar, then, that you haven't overturned a single one of my arguments
    In your dreams. ive been running rings around you and shredding your arguments to bit. on the contrary, you havent overturned any of my arguments.

    Monday, 2 June 2008

    Next round

    Firstly i would like to thank JB for giving me such an easy response to demolish and steven carr and fifi for their intelligent comments on the previous post. Johnny anomonus also aknowledged there was a lot of meat in my post and he is an xian. So here we go, i feel like a big ball on the end of a chain ready to smah into the argument and knock it to bits.

    We still have bone remnants of ancient Jews, even Jewish crucifixion victims (e.g., the famed Yohanan), preserved to this day;
    But these are rare preserved under special conditions. Pompeii is meant to be the best conditions for perserving archaeology in the world and yet they found not skeletons there. So if the people of pompeii had their body eaten why didnt jebus?

    why, precisely, would worms have consumed the body of Jesus, bones and all, within the lifetimes of the disciples?
    Who says it happened in the life time of the disciples? Oh sorry the bible does. you realise that only xians take the bible slightly seriously. there is no evidence that jebus body was in the tomb. Now wouldnt the disciples notice and loose their beliefs? No. Mormons believe their book is authentic despite it being proved false. Imagine in 2000 years time someone said "well nobody would have remained a mormon if the book of arbraham had been shown conclusively to be a fake..."what would you say? What about creationism? wouldn't people not believe it if evolution had been shown to be true. Religios people believe whatever they want to believe. If the body of jebus was still in the tomb they would claim it was a fake or only a theory etc etc.
    Which of the claimed "eyewitnesses", either among the Three or the Eight, were martyred?
    Earl dorothy thinks that there is no evidence that the first xians were martyred
    hat is, of course, pure speculation on my part, but given the fairly clear evidence that the story narrated by Smith's purported translation of the plates is utterly ahistorical
    youve missed the point. We know mormonism is ahistorical and yet many people believe it. Why do we know it is ahistorical? Because it happened a lot more recently. How do you know that xianity didnt start in the same way mormonism did? maybe if mormonism happened 2000 years ago and xianity a hundred years ago it would be the other way around

    And your substantiation for this would be...?
    Are you seriously asking for evidence that they didnt have wiis, tvs and the internet in jebus day? your even more ignorant than i thought

    First of all, Russell's Teapot was one of the most pitiful epistemological blunders that Russell ever made.
    ad homin attack. It is valid, i can sit here and wait for you to give me evidence to my satisfaction

    Your arguments also commit the anthropic principle. To ask why people came to belive jebus rose from the dead is a non quetion as we wouldnt be asing it if such a belief hadnt been belived
    I question the value of memetics as a contribution to scientific study
    your ignorance astounds me. indeed memes explain why people believde in the reserection. Someone caught the jebus rose from the dead meme and it spread like the plague.
    Come now, Mike, unlike yourself, I've researched the ancient myths.

    Ah - so you admit that the bible is an ancient myth. I win the debate
    If you want to set forth any of Price's arguments on behalf of the pagan copycatting thesis, by all means do so, but I warn you that playing that card in a debate with me is rather
    Here is a photo of dionysus crucified:

    and here he is risen from the dead:

    There we go.

    you really are going to have tyo try harder JB

    Sunday, 1 June 2008

    Round 2

    Well, JB has come up with a response even more stupid than I was expecting here. I cant believe that im wasting my time responding to such stupidity but here we go.

    At this juncture, I could rehearse various standards in resurrection apologetics.
    All of which have been debunked time and time again

    Early testimony to the empty tomb, perhaps.
    Easily explained by Richard Dawkins here:
    "Presumably what happened to Jesus was what happens to all of us when we die. We decompose." Now when you think about it Jubus body was not in the tomb because it was eaten by worms.

    group of remotely rational individuals will especially not surrender their lives in such a manner without an especially passionate belief in the validity of their cause
    So would a group of people believe something as stupid as a guy discovering golden plates in a wood when they had been proven to be a fake by a guy who had fraud metaphorically written all over him. I remember some mormons telling me that there were eyewitnesses who claimed to have seen Joseph smith with the golden plates and died for this belief of theirs. Oh hang on, your not a mormon. Does the fact that xianity started seem any more odd than something as stupid as mormonism?

    the origin of the disciples' belief seems inexplicable
    Nobody believed that golden plates were hidden in a wood before mormonism so it must be think not. Where id the mormon belief of the golden plates come from? We must also remember that this was a time before TV, nintendo wiis and yhe internet and so people got bored and made up stories of reserected friends for fun.

    This all being the case, it remains for Mike to propose a detailed and historically plausible alternative explanation for the rise of early Christianity that encompasses all available data in a satisfactory manner.
    No, because of russels teapot you have to show why xianity starting is different to other religions and offer a sensible explantion of how a man eaten by worms came back to life.

    "Science" is thus powerless, by its very nature, to provide "an overriding reason to believe the resurrection of Jesus to be genuinely impossible".
    You cannot say that the BBC website is not credible and yet that says:
    Almost all rationalists are atheists or agnostics. There has been a long link between rationalism and scientific method.

    Dawkins, with all due respect to the man for... well, whatever his positive contributions to the world might happen to be
    He discovered memes, conveted many people to science, has written best selling books, converted douglas adams to reason,is going to be on dr who...the list is endless

    The simple reply to this is that the premise is simply false. "Most pagan gods" were not claimed to have experienced anything comparable to a historical resurrection from physical death to living physical existence.
    Oh dear - youve been brain washed by your xian friends

    provided he does so with something more credible than Zeitgeist
    Well what about robert price - he thinks they ripped of the reserection from pagan myths. now robert price is proberly the top scholar on this subject in the world. As indiana jones is to a good action movie, einstein is to science and mr bean is to comedy Robert Price is to biblical scholarship.

    I hope that perhaps one day, you might happen to dispense with your irrational objections to Christianity and finally submit to the truth.
    You wont convert me to xianity in a million years. I hope that one day you'll see the light and start reading science books instead of the bible.

    Saturday, 31 May 2008

    Resserection debate opening post

    Over at theologyweb JB gave me the following challenge: " Tell you what, though. I challenge you to a formal debate, either in the Wrestling Ring at TheologyWeb or via blog" As they delete my posts etc I will debate him on the resurrection here. Here is my opening post:

    Science has shown for a long time that dead people stay dead - the message obviously fails to get through to xians. Science shows that bodies rot away and are eaten by worms and once something has been eaten by worms how can it go to heaven?

    Richard Dawkins has looked into the historical evidence for this and colcuded "Accounts of Jesus's resurrection and ascension are about as well documented as Jack and the Beanstalk." So no good trying this line of enquiry.

    Also most pagan gods rose from the dead and so why don't you believe mithras, dionysus etc etc resserected?

    If I were JB I would give up and admit defeat. Infact I've pretty much won this debate in mky opening post.

    Friday, 30 May 2008

    Science is the way to go

    Why does science rule out the existence of sky daddies? Well science is concerned with the natural, things we can touch see and smell. But religion believes in the supernatural which we cannot see, touch or smell. Sky Daddies by definition are not things we can see, touch or smell and so if you want to believe in science then you have to rule out the existence of sky daddies.

    Some might argue that this makes it impossible to prove that sky daddies exist. This is ofcourse nonsense. If you could get a bit of your sky daddy and put it into a test tube, carry out an experiment to show that this is a being who can control the universe called Jebus then i would admit that im wrong straight away. Using xian logic then wed need to say fairies and pink unicorns exist etc etc

    Heres a challenge to xians, without using the bible and only using stuff which i can personally see and touch or smell show that your stupid religion is true.

    And heres another thing. Science has given us toasters, computers, planes and chocolate pudding, what has religion given us?

    Thursday, 29 May 2008

    A genuine difficulty

    people want an example of a biblical difficulty then here we go - but be warned, it is certainly a difficulty.

    The gospel of Matthew begins with a boring genealogy like that we are told to avoid in 1 Tim.1:4 ("Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies") and Tit.3:9 ("Avoid foolish questions and genealogies").

    Oh, and welcome to my blog fifi - it's nice to know that some intelligent people visit here occasionally.

    Wednesday, 28 May 2008

    Why doesnt the bible have me on the edge of my seat?

    A top notch speech writer will get their point across in a way that even an idiot can understand. They will explain even the most complex issues in a way that even the most retarded person on the planet can understand without even thinking. They will make sure that their oponents cannot twist their words and leave no ambiguities.

    Now imagine a novelist who had a writing style that meant it took years of studying their works before you knew what they were on about.

    Someone like Dan Brown has these qualities, his arguments, plot line etc are easy to follow. Is his true for the bible? No. Why wouldn't skydaddyum have written the bible to be like the da vinci code? Think about it, Bart Ehrman asks how many people have read the bible and how many have read the da vinci code. if the bible was the word of a skydaddy the wouldnt reading it have you on the edge of your seat instead of the da vinci code?

    Tuesday, 27 May 2008

    Jebus said ask for anything......

    Jebus said 'ask and it shall be given unto you' so if i were to ask that your skydaddy would make himself go out of existance would they?

    Monday, 26 May 2008

    The anthropic principle

    There is this rule of logic that xians ignore called the anthropic principle. Basically it points out that in order to ask a question things have to be the way they are. So to ask why the universe is finely tuned is illogical as we wouldnt be able to ask the question if it wasnt. The same applies to the question 'why did the first xians believe jebus rose from the dead?' If they didnt believe that then we wouldnt be asking the question. All the following also commit the anthropic principle:

    -why did people write the bible?
    -how do we know that murder is wrong?
    -why did the big bang happen
    -why do so many people believe in sky daddies?

    Each one of those questions can be answered by pointing out that we wouldnt be able to ask the question if it wasnt the case. I think you xians are going to have to come up with some more arguments that dont commit the anthropic principle.

    Sunday, 25 May 2008

    Indianna jones is fiction and history.

    I dont think people understand that not everything if life is complete fiction or complete fact. The russians have got annoyed that the new indianna jones film is historically inacurate claiming 'It's rubbish... In 1957 the communists did not run with crystal skulls throughout the US.' (my source) Well ofcourse they didnt you idiots - its a story.

    Its a bit like the xians who say that the bible is all true. No, its a fictional story based in real locations etc Then xians say that because the charcters etc in the da vinci code are not real none of it is. no, some of it is true, and some of it isnt.

    Indianna Jones is jazzed up arhcaeology based on a fictional story but things like the crystal skulls exist. The da vinci code is based on real early church history put together with fictioanl character and events but still contains a lot of truth. The bible is based on some real places and superstitious beliefs of the time but the story etc is not real. Although I suspect that archaology suppoerts indianna jones better than it dos the bible.

    The new indianna jones film is good though, about the same standard as temple of doom but not as good as the other two. Worth seeing though.

    So yeah, stop going through life dismissing stuff as fiction and accepting stuff as facts. It may be a bit of both.