Monday, 3 November 2008

A well known, and scholarly, argument against xiansity


1. the person next to jebus in leonardo da vincis painting of the last supper has long hair
2.Only women have long hair
3.Therefore the person next to jebus was a woman
4.The only woman who has red hair in the bible is mary magdoline
5.Therefore jebus sat next to mary magdoline at the last supper
6.Jebus would have only sat next to mary magdoline had he been married to her
7.Thus jebus was married to mary magdoline
8.Xianity cannot be true if jebus was married
9.So xianity is not true

10 comments:

Chaotic Void said...

DaVinci's painting was 1000+ years after the fact, dickweed.
Thinking that it's an accurate portrayal of the event is incredibly erroneous on your part.

And only Women had long hair? Obviously, you've never heard of a Nazirite vow.

But I would expect no less from one of the world's most persistent parodies.XD

Anonymous said...

maybe it's there, but i don't recall.

Can anyone point me to the Scripture that says that Mary Magdoline had red hair?

Off the top of my head, i can only recall one person in the whole Bible who's implied either red hair or red skin. Gen 25:25



At anyrate, Mike, why do you think that Jesus' marital status could negate Christianity?



And, as chaotic void pointed out, Leonardo most likely was not at the last supper, employed as a photographer of sorts.

Also pointed out by chaotic, there is a famous Biblical man that was kinda know for his long hair... have you heard of Sampson?


Another thing about the painting Mike... do those in the painting look like they are European decent instead of Israelites?


johnny

Jake said...

let's examine this argument in detail.

"1. the person next to jebus in leonardo da vincis painting of the last supper has long hair"

I suppose that is a reasonable assertion.

"2.Only women have long hair"

perhaps you would care to explain why Jesus has long hair.

"3.Therefore the person next to jebus was a woman"

unfortunately this conclusion operates from a false premise.

"4.The only woman who has red hair in the bible is mary magdoline"

I could not find any evidence from the Gospels that Mary Magdelene had red hair.

"5.Therefore jebus sat next to mary magdoline at the last supper"

that's interesting that you took a painting made WELL over 1000 years after the Gospels as superior evidence than biographies written by people who actually met Jesus (let's be generous and say that they just knew a whole bunch of other people who knew Jesus)

"6.Jebus would have only sat next to mary magdoline had he been married to her"

I would like to see some evidence that men would only sit next to women to whom they were married.

"7.Thus jebus was married to mary magdoline"

unfortunately premises 2-5 are absolutely false, and you have not presented evidence for premise 6

"8.Xianity cannot be true if jebus was married"

I've never been able to understand why Jesus being married is a problem. Sex with your wife is not a sin.

"9.So xianity is not true"

well we've nailed down logically valid arguments, which are arguments whose conclusion follows from their premises, but now we have to work on arguments with valid premises

-Jake (a.k.a Mig_killer2 and migkillertwo)

Anonymous said...

woops, error on my part in that last comment, the conclusion does not follow from the premises. perhaps if you had included "Leonardo di vinci is a useful historical source for reconstructing the historical Jesus" in that argument, then your argument would be logically valid

-Jake

lilpixieofterror said...

You do know that Da Vinchi's own notes specifically name the disciple sitting next to Jesus with the long hair John, right? Want to hear the reasoning behind it or would I be just wasting my time bothering?

Anonymous said...

lilpixieofterror said...

Want to hear the reasoning behind it or would I be just wasting my time bothering?


Waste your time on me, Crystal... i would like to hear :)


johnny (aka xtreem5150ahm)

Anonymous said...

Wow - that argument seemed stupid when dan brown presented it in the Da Vinci Code...you've managed to really bring out its stupidity!

Anonymous said...

"But I would expect no less from one of the world's most persistent parodies.XD"

That's awesome stuff!

Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

Sooooooo many false assumptions here.

Lets go:

"the person next to jebus in leonardo da vincis painting of the last supper has long hair"

This is true. Though I dont see what a painting by a guy who lived 1000+ years after the fact has to do with Jesus

"Only women have long hair"

False I'v known many long haired guys.

"The only woman who has red hair in the bible is mary magdoline"

Unfortunitly the Bible says nothing about Mary Magadline's hair color. I'm going to assume though that it was probably black. Since she more than likely was Middle eastern looking.

"Therefore jebus sat next to mary magdoline at the last supper"

Even if I accept that Leonardo's 'Last Supper' does in fact show Mary Magdaline sitting next to Jesus(a BIG 'if') the fact that he lived 1000+ years after Jesus and Mary Magadline means this can hardly be taken as proof of anything.

"Jebus would have only sat next to mary magdoline had he been married to her"

Thats a questionable assumption, though better than most I'v seen.

"Xianity cannot be true if jebus was married"

false Jesus being married proves nothing.

lilpixieofterror said...

Waste your time on me, Crystal... i would like to hear :)

Simply, he was seen as the youngest of the apostles and often was drawn as being more of a 'kid' then the others. If you look at other artist, you'll find John drawn or painted the same way...