Monday, 15 December 2008

Ive cracked it

I was thinking about how jebus walked on water and it occured to me thus:

1. Jebus walked on water acording to the bible
2. Ice skaters walk on water all the time
3. Therefore jebus was an iceskater and nothing special.


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Jake said...

Ice skaters skate on ice, solid water. Jesus was said to have walked on LIQUID water

Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

Ice skaters skate(not walk) on ICE, not water.

Although, yes ice is the solid form of water, the Bible doesnt specify he was on ice.

Why so much concern with this particular miracle anyway?

Mike is Wright said...

where does the bible say that it was liquid water?

Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

So you really believe the sea of Galallie was frozen over?

Anonymous said...

John 6:16-21

16When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea,
17got into a boat, and started across the sea to Capernaum. It was now dark, and Jesus had not yet come to them.
18The sea became rough because a strong wind was blowing.
19When they had rowed about three or four miles, they saw Jesus walking on the sea and coming near the boat, and they were frightened.
20 But he said to them, "It is I; do not be afraid."
21Then they were glad to take him into the boat, and immediately the boat was at the land to which they were going.

So here we have the disciples getting in a boat and starting out across the sea to Capernaum. In your story the sea is either frozen over or will soon freeze over. So their boat must have runners in order to move across the ice or it will just sit or become frozen in place in the ice.

Next we are told that the sea became rough due to a strong wind.

At this point either the sea is liquid and stirred by the wind or maybe the wind is blowing items across the frozen sea and making it rough.

Wait now we learn they had rowed several miles. I suppose it is possible to use shovels to row a boat on runners across a rough ice sea, but I do not think that is what is going on.

Your argument is inane.
My hope is that you already know this and are just pulling our leg, but somehow I am unsure.

Anonymous said...

Maybe you should go with Jesus was on water skis or a sailboard or he was wearing some type of boat shoes. When I say boat shoes I do not mean Sperry Topsiders, I mean some type of cumbersome shoes that enabled him to walk.

Anonymous said...

Matthew 14:25-32

25During the fourth watch of the night Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake.
26When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear.
27But Jesus immediately said to them: "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid."
28"Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."
29"Come," he said. Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus.
30But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"
31Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"
32And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down.

Regarding Peter maybe he was not as good an ice skater as Jesus. He began to sink in the ice. Maybe he was heavier than Jesus or stepped on a thin sheet of ice. Maybe the ice was thawing.

I am trying to work with you here.

Anonymous said...

What is confusing here is what is your position regarding the Bible. If it is fallible and contains untrue events why do you argue about events the Bible is describing. If it is fallible you are hurting your position arguing about events in the Bible. You are admitting that they are basically true, but need a little explanation.

Which is it young feller. You cannot have it both ways. Pick a position and stick to it.

This is why many believe you are a parody.

On a side note you had a little dry spell after your last silly post and I had begun to get worried about you.

It is good to see you are okay.

Mike is Wright said...

Next we are told that the sea became rough due to a strong wind.
Exactly, the cold wind blew over the water and made it go rough (i.e turn to ice)

Im not saying that this is what happened, just that everything in the bible, if it were true which its not, can be explained naturalistically.

Anonymous said...

Hi Mike,

You said, Im not saying that this is what happened, just that everything in the bible, if it were true which its not, can be explained naturalistically.

The key word in your statement is "everything". To show you that your statement is false, please explain, using your naturalistic explanations, the parting of the Red (Reed) Sea, and the Jordan River. (and i'm familiar with some of the naturalistic explanations of these... they don't work, so you need better ones than i've seen).

Remember, you said, "everything in the Bible". That means, zero exceptions.

Once you've successfully answered these, then you need to move on to a natural explanation of the forgiveness of Sins.


Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

I'd like to see a naturalstic explanation for the sun ceasing to move(Joshusha10:7-15).

johnny said...

Yeah, that's a good one!!

Very many to choose from. i'm entertained by some of the natural explanations for the plagues before the exodus.... they don't answer a thing.

In Mike's attempt at using ice as the natural explanation, was it mentioned that they were surprised? How many people that are familiar with ice, would be very surprised by someone walking on ice?
Also, is there a Greek word for ice, that was not used?

Another, well, not failing of Mike's attempt, but a possible weakness....

I've got the link set for fahrenheit. At least from these averages, the temp does not get cold enough to freeze a lake that large, enough to walk on (although, that might explain the surprise, but only if they had never seen ice... which that would beg the question, "why was a lake hard enough to walk on, not mentioned?").... and even where i'm from, it usually takes a few days of extreme cold weather before a lake that size {about 21 km (13 miles) long, and 13 km (8 miles) wide.} freezes enough to drive on--- who walks these days? ;) , but certainly not instantanious (sp?).