Sunday, 15 March 2009

Does the bible make you rude?

I think this website shows how nasty the bible can get. Ironically the website is made by xians and thy cant see anythign wrong with being rude.

11 comments:

Sir-Think-A-Lot said...

You know all this proves to me is that people in the ancient world were far better at trash talking than we are today.

johnny said...

What rudeness are you talking about, Mike?


Where is your absolute standard for morally good or morally bad behavior?

Remember, the question includes "absolute".

There is no rudeness if there is no standard.. it then boils down to preference no different than one's like or dislike of the taste of brocolli.


So, if you want to think that we Christians are rude, then you need to show an absolute standard from your worldview (atheism).




Athough i do agree that we are often rude. I also agree that, in most cases it is not justified, warranted, or useful. It does not generally fit with the fruit of the Spirit verses, but does fit with Proverbs and is also demonstrated by Jesus at times (rare times, in my opinion).

johnny

mindflame said...

It is sort of a shame. The generator is loaded with funny sayings not anything from the Bible.

The prophets could be harsh but I don't think that is quite the same as being rude.

Certainly, Christians are not supported to be rude because love is not rude. Corinthians 13

FiFi said...

"Where is your absolute standard for morally good or morally bad behavior?"

Life isn't about absolutes in every case - there are grey areas to consider.

Trouble with Christians is that they're too black and white in their world view.

While there are certain things that are wrong - lying, stealing, killing - they are bad because they destroy the fabric of society, not because god's gonna get ya if you do any of them.

For example, its wrong to kill (after all, you woulnd't want it happening to you, would you?) but is it wrong for somebody to kill in self-defence? I think you'll find that it depends on the circumstances.

johnny said...

"Life isn't about absolutes in every case - there are grey areas to consider."

You say that as if that claim is an absolute.

gotta get to work... i'll deal with the rest tonight or tomorrow.

johnny

johnny said...

Ok, home from work. Annie has to work early tomorrow, so she's already asleep...

FiFi said, "While there are certain things that are wrong - lying, stealing, killing - they are bad because they destroy the fabric of society, not because god's gonna get ya if you do any of them."

Even though you think there are grey areas and not absolutes, you appeal to absolutes unknowingly...
The two that you are appealing to are:
1)bad
2)society

why should 'society' be anything?
It should just 'be' whatever it 'is'.

And 'bad'... what is this thing you call 'bad' if there are no absolutes?

For example, its wrong to kill (after all, you woulnd't want it happening to you, would you?)

Why would you assume that Christians (or anyone, for that matter) would think that killing is an absolute moral law?
We know that nature is "red in tooth and claw". The Bible (God's Word) tells us that God kills. It also tells us that God has told humans to kill.
Therefore, the Christian position could not be that killing is an absolute.

An absolute would be something that is always right or always wrong, regardless who is doing or not doing the action.

but is it wrong for somebody to kill in self-defence? I think you'll find that it depends on the circumstances.

The fact that there are grey areas.. even ones we might agree on, does not rule out absolutes.


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Actually, on CC's blog, we had a pretty good discussion going, regarding this topic. Unfortunately, i kinda dropped the ball, and didn't continue when it was my turn to respond.
There's been a lot of stuff in my life since my dad died, that has been very time consuming and urgent ... I'm not making excuses, just saying that i've dropped the ball in that discussion, and have in some others on tweb.


johnny

FiFi said...

"The Bible (God's Word)"

Wish you'd agree - one of you said its written by men, inspired by god. Not the same as god's word. Although you'll surely twist reality to make it look like you're saying the same thing, when you're clearly not.

"The Bible (God's Word) tells us that God kills. It also tells us that God has told humans to kill.
Therefore, the Christian position could not be that killing is an absolute."

And your Ten Commandments clearly state that killing is a sin.

""Life isn't about absolutes in every case - there are grey areas to consider."

You say that as if that claim is an absolute."

There are very few situations where there is an absolute right or wrong answer. Apart from the fact that there are very few situations where there are a right or wrong answer!

:-)

johnny said...

"The Bible (God's Word)"

Wish you'd agree - one of you said its written by men, inspired by god. Not the same as god's word. Although you'll surely twist reality to make it look like you're saying the same thing, when you're clearly not.


The key word is "inspired". If you take it to mean something to the effect of "her beauty inspired the artist to paint the masterpiece", then yes, the two would have different meanings. But the Biblical claim and the Doctrinal claim is that God was the actual driving force, but He allowed the men the use of their own personalities.
I hope that clears that up. I seem to recall STAL having given a very good explanation... STAL??


And your Ten Commandments clearly state that killing is a sin.

And there are provisions in the Mosaic Law for killing that is justified (given by the same God that gave the 10 commandments).
And, if i'm not mistaken, the actual word indicates murder (unjustified, intentional killing).
Also, there would be an ownership "situation" here... as in the Creator God has ownership rights to His creation.


There are very few situations where there is an absolute right or wrong answer. Apart from the fact that there are very few situations where there are a right or wrong answer!

:-)


lol... i'm tired and i have to call my sister... i'll let you slide on this one for now. ;)

johnny

FiFi said...

"And there are provisions in the Mosaic Law for killing that is justified (given by the same God that gave the 10 commandments)."

Just one of the more blatant (yet still ignored) contradictions in the bible.

So Johnny, tell me. Is the only reason that you don't steal and murder because you think that there's a god watching over your shoulder? Do you then not have it within yourself to behave morally for humanity's sake?

Then you surely are a sick, misguided person.

You'll onlty 'let this one slide' because you have no answer to my comment. Although you've surely had a chat with one of your vicars or fellow brainwashees and have something now that satisfies your gullible little brain.

johnny said...

FiFi, the Law of Non-contradiction states that:

A can not be both B and non-B at the same time, in the same way.

What was pointed out, is not a contradictions, blatant or otherwise.
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For a refresher, here is what i said i would let slide for a bit:

There are very few situations where there is an absolute right or wrong answer. Apart from the fact that there are very few situations where there are a right or wrong answer!

If there are Absolutes, then Absolutes exist. We have been talking about morals, so, when you say, "There are very few situations where there is an absolute right or wrong answer", i have to assume that you mean morally right and wrong absolutes.
But if that's the case, it does not and can not fit with in the naturalist's worldview... and you even tried to be wishy-washy by saying, "Life isn't about absolutes in every case - there are grey areas to consider."

If there are absolutes (and you just said that there are some), where is the absolute standard for morally good or morally bad behavior?... i seem to recall having asked this already.


There is another possible way i can interpret what you've said (and i've had an atheist tell me this)...

Here is the other part that you said:

"Apart from the fact that there are very few situations where there are a right or wrong answer!


The atheist that i had the conversation with, tried to tell me that truth is relative and not an absolute.

I hope that you aren't trying to say that truth is not truth...

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I let it slide, not because i had no comment, but because your statement was foolish and i was tired.
No vicars. No brainwashees.

johnny

johnny said...

Sorry, i missed a spot...


FiFi said, "So Johnny, tell me. Is the only reason that you don't steal and murder because you think that there's a god watching over your shoulder? Do you then not have it within yourself to behave morally for humanity's sake?

Then you surely are a sick, misguided person.


Your worldview can't show why stealing or murder is bad.

According to God's Law, i am guilty of all the Commandments. Jesus said that anyone that has anger/hatred towards another, has already committed murder in his heart.

Let's go with an easy one, FiFi...

Have you ever stolen something?


johnny